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Message started by GM on 11/04/07 at 12:18:07

Title: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC CD? &
Post by GM on 11/04/07 at 12:18:07
Has the regular posters on this site contributed to the lack of sales of the Justin Currie Solo CD. Discuss:

1. Anyone searching the net for Del Amitri will undoubtidly come across this site, and will see that the regular posterson the site do nothing to promote Justin Currie or Del Amitri,and seem to relish mocking and humiliating visitors who ask any question..  

2. If anyone outside the "clique" supplyany information of relevance,they are quickly told they are talking keech.  

No wonder no-one sticks around to find out if there are any new releases/tours.

I fully expect to be humilitated for this, but I am happy knowing that I am a true fan who tries to spread the music, rather than try to keep the music to themselves...

Compared to fans of other bands/singers trying to keep the music alive, this forum seems to be hell bent on ruining a career..

Discuss.


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by janea on 11/04/07 at 12:48:26
This post is so pathetic it barely warrents a response, but I am too annoyed to let it be.

How can you say we've done nothing to promote the album?  If you read through the posts you will see the efforts we have made to email the radio stations with requests, how we've told all and sundry about it, how we've promoted it on our MySpace sites.

If the record  company had wanted people to hand out flyers in the street we would have been there.  We love the music and we all do everything we can to get it out there.

What have YOU done?

And maybe one or two people might take the piss, but the rest of us are generally very nice to newbies - honest. Unless we are accused of not doing anything to help get the music of Mr Currie to the masses.... :)

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by unbeliever on 11/04/07 at 12:54:17
I think you'd be better asking the record company why there are no copies of the CD in the shops.  Promotion's useless if there's nothing to actually buy.  A few of us on here made a concerted effort to track copies down, and had to visit more than one shop.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by ChrissieA on 11/04/07 at 13:15:57
Hear hear Jane!! - well said.

The hard core group of fans who have been posting on this board and various others over the years do their utmost to keep the flag flying for Del Amitri and Justin Currie and probably will for ever and a day!

We've been there for the good times and the bad - we've hung around waiting (and talking rubbish in between times) but we always try to spread the music and promote the band in every little way we can.

There may be hundreds of Del Amitri fans out there like yourself who don't post regularly on boards and the like but are still loyal and wanting success for any new Del/Justin project and it saddens me to think that you would feel put off by a few negative bits of banter.  

What do you mean in your comment about If anyone outside the "clique" supply any information of relevance,they are quickly told they are talking keech? Can you elaborate on this?

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Rosey on 11/04/07 at 13:52:49
I think you might be giving a bit too much power to the effects of a message board on whether someone would buy a music album or not. Surely if you are interested you will check out justins myspace where you can hear the music?

Different people like the same music, doesn't mean they will all get on or like each other. This board works for those who are here regularly. I don't think it reflects on JC all that much what is said here.

I also don't think anyone is particularly mean. (As long as you aren't a nervous wreck who quibbles at one person with a wicked sense of humour who is occassionally an arse, that is.  ;))


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by GM on 11/04/07 at 13:53:43
What have I done?

Only missed 1 tour (including UDS and button up) since '89 (not '88 like poor Saxon - who was basically told he was talking keech when he said that he had been a fan since '88 - oops he was a year out. We all can make simple mistakes!). I also try to bring others to the gigs, people who say -I remember Nothing Ever Happens - I thought they has chucked it and were working in a petrol station now.

Buy the CD's the day they come out, sometimes multiple copies (Ihave a wife who is as big a fan). Personally, I bought through Townsend, asI have used them before, and always found their service to be excellent.

In this day of the internet, it is clear that having a positive on-line presence can help sell records, so the fans that contribute to our favourite bands sites need to be aware that pushing people away and generally being fuds can only have a detrimental effect.

Sorry to come back to you Saxon, but if you criticise someone for their job and not for their obvious appreciation for the music, then can you be surprised if people don't return to the site, and then don't find out about the latest news. This guy seems to be a fan, who wants to appreciate more of the music.

It is not the "hard-core" (hate that phrase) fans that gets CD's into the higher regions of the chart, and the last I looked, this is the "OFFICIAL" Del Amitri site, and therefore casual surfers will take anything posted more seriously.

You know, and I know that sending mass emails to Radio 1, Clyde 1, etc will not get the record onto the playlist,and ultimately will not sell more records. I never expected this record to do anything fantastic, and the best that Justin can hope for is that one of the tracks is picked up by a TV show or film.  

Perhaps I should not have said "not trying to promote", when what I really meant was that the "negative" posts appear to outweigh anything positive and always seem to be my memory any time I visit the site.

There are other bands/singers out there who are trying tore-launch careers, go solo, and their fans seem to be more appreciative of the casual surfers, and this will grow the fan base much quicker, in my opinion....







Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Rosey on 11/04/07 at 14:00:08
I think the point in this whole topic is negative and you sound whiny.

Only 1 person was mean to Saxon, that is hardly reflective of the whole board.

p.s. I'm a newbie and I haven't had a slagging yet, but if I do, I won't run away crying. It's only a laugh. It's not real life. It's the internet.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by David on 11/04/07 at 15:10:33
I'm not going to have a tantrum about what's posted here: fair enough if that's what you think, GM.  I do think this board is a particulary odd and unwelcoming one to a newcomer, not really any point denying that.  between posts designed sheerly to slag someone off and some real utter shite that works its way round it's hardly a surprise that people don't want to use the forum.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with people buying the music, which is well represented on MySpaz.  If I went onto a forum for Ryan Adams and found that his fans were utterly obnoxious then I don't visit the forum - it has no bearing on whether I continue to listen to Ryan's music.

Your points have been addressed, but I can only think of two people that have recently said anything about someone's lack of knowledge and, on both occassions, maybe it was petulant but, so what?  Are people so sensitive that being corrected on a date on a forum, by someone with no affiliation to the artist, makes them decide to no longer be a fan?  God, no wonder album sales are suffering.

Finally, why the hell is it our responsibility to help him increase his sales?  He's a veteran of the industry, if he can't make an effort to connect with his potential audience then who's fault is that?  Certainly not the 20 odd people that post here regularly.  if Justin is worried about how his music is represented then it's up to him to provide a presence on this forum to maintain some standards.

Your responsibility is to not be so pompous by deigning to correct others for imagined failings in our "duty" as fans.


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 11/05/07 at 03:15:13

GM wrote on 11/04/07 at 12:18:07:
Has the regular posters on this site contributed to the lack of sales of the Justin Currie Solo CD. Discuss:

1. Anyone searching the net for Del Amitri will undoubtidly come across this site, and will see that the regular posterson the site do nothing to promote Justin Currie or Del Amitri,and seem to relish mocking and humiliating visitors who ask any question..  

2. If anyone outside the "clique" supplyany information of relevance,they are quickly told they are talking keech.  

No wonder no-one sticks around to find out if there are any new releases/tours.


I fully expect to be humilitated for this, but I am happy knowing that I am a true fan who tries to spread the music, rather than try to keep the music to themselves...

Compared to fans of other bands/singers trying to keep the music alive, this forum seems to be hell bent on ruining a career..

Discuss.



How do people this stupid survive?

What a silly post.....


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by welshgirl on 11/05/07 at 03:37:21
what is keech anyway?

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 11/05/07 at 03:41:00
I thought it was something that had cheese and egg in it that you eat.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by nigel on 11/05/07 at 03:50:39

GM wrote on 11/04/07 at 12:18:07:
Has the regular posters on this site contributed to the lack of sales of the Justin Currie Solo CD. Discuss:

1. Anyone searching the net for Del Amitri will undoubtidly come across this site, and will see that the regular posterson the site do nothing to promote Justin Currie or Del Amitri,and seem to relish mocking and humiliating visitors who ask any question..  

2. If anyone outside the "clique" supplyany information of relevance,they are quickly told they are talking keech.  

No wonder no-one sticks around to find out if there are any new releases/tours.

I fully expect to be humilitated for this, but I am happy knowing that I am a true fan who tries to spread the music, rather than try to keep the music to themselves...

Compared to fans of other bands/singers trying to keep the music alive, this forum seems to be hell bent on ruining a career..

Discuss.


I think what we're all trying to say is....

has it/does it crappity smack?

Subtle enough for you?  ::)

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by susi on 11/05/07 at 05:07:30
 If I went onto a forum for Ryan Adams and found that his fans were utterly obnoxious then I don't visit the forum

and yes they are very similar to the "fans" in this forum.................

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Tintagel on 11/05/07 at 05:13:33

susi wrote on 11/05/07 at 05:07:30:

and yes they are very similar to the "fans" in this forum.................


Oh, Damn! Here I was thinking that we were all originals.


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 11/05/07 at 05:14:56
You could always invade Alison and try to take this board over?



Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by susi on 11/05/07 at 05:18:43
du hast doch einen Dachschaden.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by the last to know on 11/05/07 at 05:23:35
"you have nevertheless a roof damage"?   Are you trying to say his head's not right?  I think we've been knowing that.  


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by susi on 11/05/07 at 05:29:12
the last to know - you are friendly

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 11/05/07 at 05:40:27
Der Krieg für Sie suzi ist vorbei!

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by webmaster on 11/05/07 at 09:10:55

wrote on 11/05/07 at 05:14:56:
You could always invade Alison and try to take this board over?


Well, I *am* Jewish...

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Ginny on 11/05/07 at 14:01:36
Not gonna start quoting you GM but a lot of what you said is complete nonsense,you appear to have been waiting for a Del/JC album while us lot for the last 5 years have been coughing up dosh and going to JC Gigs in some dive somewhere supporting him and hoping he'll get on with getting some songs out officially.

It's happened,it's great,we're happy,can't you tell ?

And no offence Saxon but you do have a bit of a brass neck coming on and asking for around 50 or so bsides on 3 discs.......that's is what we're talking about, ain't it, that were out there all along while you were collecting all the other stuff!?

My friends husbands a pilot and he is the most tight fisted guy on the planet.

Not a good start....all round and you wonder why we get a bit tetchy  ::)

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by hayley on 11/06/07 at 05:54:28
I'm agreeing with most of what Jane said and Ginny too - sorry, I'm skim reading at work so I've not covered all of it.

Whether or not I like someone's website has crappity smack all to do with whether or not I like their music and would put my hand in my pocket to buy it.  If you feel you need a warm welcome to somehow legitimise your fandom or give you the impetus to buy a cd or gig ticket then that strikes me as a little bit strange.

If it's true that we get the politicians that we deserve then maybe it's also true of Justin and his fans.  

When it comes down to it the man won't starve if we don't buy his stuff and I'm sure we'd all struggle on without it too.  Most of us anyway.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Johnny Too Bad on 11/06/07 at 06:46:01
Dylan once said "Just because you like my music it doesn't mean I owe you anything"

It's true, but so is the obverse.  I buy DA and JC records and tickets for my own purposes (namely I like them) and that is all there is to it. My responsibility to JC starts and ends there. It's not my responsibility to market his gear by being nice to the fairweather crappity smackheads that disappear for five years and expect a warm welcome when they pop back because there's a record or tour pending. I mean, what piece of shit would be put off buying a record because they were not made sufficiently welcome on the discussion boards of the guy's former band's website?

Also, I reckon I know who Saxon might be

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 11/06/07 at 07:14:36
True.This once again sums up what I was trying to say in my "crappity smacking Glory Hunters Thread" thread as found below.

F**king Glory Hunters!
Oct 9th, 2007, 2:02am  Quote  

Before Chelsea Football club got very lucky and were brought out by a very rich Russian billionaire of the name of Roman Abramovich they were a no mark London club with crap footballing attendances,then old Roman rolls in, he starts to buy star player after star player and they start to win things, league cup, FA cups, the Premiership title (no champions league though ha!) and with the the new found success the new fans start to roll in making out they are Chelsea fans through thick and thin, I think the name you give these people are "Jonny comes lately"

No doubt you are thinking what has any of this got to do with Del Amitri? Well on here yesterday and on Justin's My Space page fans starting turning up and making post's out of the blue,well like the QPR fans who sing to the "Jonny come lately" fans at Stamford Bridge- " Where were you when you were shit? Where were you? Where were you? Where were you when you were shit?

Where were these fans when Del Amitri were dumped by Mercury? Where were these fans when Justin told us all to crappity smack off, well they crappity smacked off I guess. Where were these backslappers and glory hunters when JC was doing his "Misery nights" eh? eh?

The thing I like about the regulars on this board is that your hardcore,or what is more commonly known on the net as a "Armstrong" which means a little bit mental and scary but your heart is in the right place for all things Del Amitri related.

The rest of you glory hunters can crappity smack off back to your Texas forums.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Saxon on 11/06/07 at 08:59:43
Well, I certainly never intended or expected to promote controversy on this forum, nor annoy or antagonise anyone so my apologies if I did anything to cause offence.  Truth is I have silently lurked here for years and years, have always totally loved the music of this band and yes have seen them live, bought all the commercial albums, videos and DVD's (sometimes more than once) so I don't think I fall into the category of casual fan at all.

As to GM's point about the forum not being particularly welcoming to newbies, well I'm afraid I'd have to agree with that statement.  I've posted on several other internet forums over many years and never really received such a frosty reception.  I think it's also worth making clear I wasn't asking for 50 tracks, just to obtain some unreleased material which I offered to donate to charity for or I offered to trade for.  I also highlighted some CD's available for download from the internet in case they contained material some of you don't already have.

My own view on the record sales point is that with the promo for the record being as poor as it has been, the only people who will have bought copies will be those already into Justin or the Dels already.  However I do think forums such as this if they weren't quite so cliquey could have quite a big impact on raising the profile of the band and drawing more people into getting interested in the band and ultimately that could drive record sales.

Anyway, certainly not my intention to cause any unrest - just that nobody expects the Spanish inquisition....

Saxon


Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Johnny Too Bad on 11/06/07 at 09:12:25
Nobody EVER expects the Spanish inquisition

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Tintagel on 11/06/07 at 09:28:22

Johnny Too Bad wrote on 11/06/07 at 09:12:25:
Nobody EVER expects the Spanish inquisition


;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by GM on 11/06/07 at 10:26:34
A common question is where have I been in the last 5 years. Simple answer to this, raising my family, working. checking the websites (the UK one when it was around) for updates, keeping an ear to the ground for news, such as button up, Uncle Devil Show (still have my luggage tab!) and the like. Just because I don’t post on the forum does not mean that I don’t visit at least once a week to try to keep up to date.  I brought 2 new “fans” to the Fruitmarket show, and they seemed to enjoy it, and lets hope that they buy the CD from that.

I would not describe myself as a “die hard” fan. I sometimes missed the support acts at the Barra’s, so I could have a few in the Sarry Heid, but I always made the main act.  The one thing that I would like to see before the Barra’s is no more, is seeing Del Amitri perform there one last time. I am more likely to score the winning goal against Italy next week, but it would be perfect.

All I said was that “casual” listeners (the ones that take an act like Ryan Adams or Justin Currie into the mainstream and into the higher regions of the charts) are less likely to return to the website/forum if treated badly, and less likely to find out about the new releases, especially since Justin Currie is much less prolific than the likes of Ryan Adams, who seems to release a new CD ever couple of months….

Glory Hunter – If I was a glory hunter, I would be checking out The Killers, or the like, but no, I am stuck with the least prolific artist I can think of. Although it is funny you mention Texas, cos I bought Southside the same day I bought Waking Hours, after hearing I don’t wanna lover and Kiss this thing goodbye constantly on the little radio we listened to that summer. Both on tape so I could listen to on the bus… Have not listened to Texas in years, but Waking Hours is a different kettle of maggots.

Saxon, I am glad you got what you want, ‘cos you appear to be a good guy who wants a little bit more. I agree, I post on a 1 other forum, where the act is similar, and the difference is noticeable. The posters there seem to realise that how they treat people can have a knock on effect on record sales, ticket sales and the like. The difference is mainly that a year ago, he sold about 50 tickets at King Tut’s, this year he sold about 90, and I am sure that next year he will sell even more.

Thanks for all your feedback, some was more worthy than others, but he-ho feedback is feedback.    

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Wolfgang on 11/06/07 at 11:36:13
And I thought I was weird.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by welshgirl on 11/06/07 at 12:08:28

Wolfgang wrote on 11/06/07 at 11:36:13:
And I thought I was weird.


I nominate this post as post of the year. It made me laugh out loud!

But then I too am a bit odd...



Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by David on 11/06/07 at 14:02:16
Um, GM...

Get over it.  it is not our duty to promote Justin's material.  end of story.

If he wants a bigger audience, then he needs to make a bigger effort.  i couldn't give a good goddamn if he sells 1,000 or 100,000 copies of WILF, as long as I like it I will recommend it to people.

i don't think anyone cares how long you've been into the band, but the reason people are mentioning it is because you're making out that we haven't done anything: well, we went to the gigs, posted details, reviews, photos, arranged meet-ups for people going, hyped the album on the forum when some of the "clique" had advance copies, discussed the album IN-DEPTH when it was released, signed up to his MySpace, bought the album for friends and, somewhere along the way, liked some other artists.

We were on this thing alone for so long when none of the other "fans" gave a shit that perhaps we've forgotten the bland-speak that infects the reat of PC-dom online, but really - if you don't like it, go and visit Coldplay's forum - I bet they are all just lovely.

Your point about Ryan Adams is bollocks as well - he's still not mainstream (unless you classify 30,000 sales as mainstream now).  his success had little to do with his notoriously obsessive and creepy fanbase, more that he was on a lot of tv shows and has finally started having some good sales.  After 9 albums.  Wow, his fans sure did a great job.

It makes no sense anyway - Biffy Clyro have a particularly unfriendly and sulky fanbase yet they have increased in size, year on year...  might it be because 1) they tour constantly, 2) they release records regularly and c) they cultivate their fanbase by, heaven forbid, involving them and engaging with them.

Yes, you're right, it's us who are stopping Justin from achieving success.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by the last to know on 11/06/07 at 15:38:00
Between this and the Spanish Inquisition -  ;D

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by hayley on 11/07/07 at 05:49:09
It's great for the artists who have eager beaver fans to promote them I'm sure.  I'll put the effort in when the wage is agreed - until then I'll stick with talking about new stuff or tour dates where I think people might be interested and leave it to the people that get paid to do it to promote the stuff professionally.  I agree with Dylan and Rory - Justin Currie owes me nothing and vice versa.  I've commented on various things on this board and the treatment of people by one or more board members but that's to do with my personal sense of propriety (and yes, I may have slipped from that myself on occasion) and not because I think I owe it to an artist to not scupper their chances of earning a bit more cash.

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by Johnny Too Bad on 11/07/07 at 06:16:43

hayley wrote on 11/07/07 at 05:49:09:
 I've commented on various things on this board and the treatment of people by one or more board members but that's to do with my personal sense of propriety (and yes, I may have slipped from that myself on occasion)


True

I know when I get a telling off from you I've really overstepped the mark

Title: Re: Has this forum hindered the sucess of the JC C
Post by nigel on 11/08/07 at 02:48:20
Shouldn't someone take this thread outside by the collar, give it a biscuit, give it a kindly pat & then put a bullet through it's head?

It's what you'd do to a dog if it was suffering.




You don't get quality like this on Ryan Adams' forum i bet  ::)




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