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Message started by Jules on 07/07/07 at 16:42:37

Title: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Jules on 07/07/07 at 16:42:37
For some time now, certain members of the board have made it obvious that they were in possession of pre-release copies of JC's album 'Rebound' - now to be called 'What is Love for'.
Sharing such material amongst loyal fans is one thing but putting it on a file sharing service for anyone to download is another - or is it?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by the last to know on 07/07/07 at 20:04:54
Do you think (or know) that anyone's done that -- put it on a file sharing service?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/08/07 at 05:25:20
That would be stealing and punishable to the full extent of the law. Once he signed that contract, it became a commodity. If anyone did that, they're not just a moron, they're an asshole. They may have gotten it as a 'gift' but etiquette dictates not sharing it with anyone else, selling it or otherwise making it public.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/08/07 at 10:07:53
One person at least has been liberally spreading copies of "Rebound" about recently. †I have the feeling the motivation there is less PR for JC and more self-promotion though.

It's a difficult one really - I don't object to people sharing other stuff but I don't feel as... invested? loyal? whatever... to those pieces of music. †I guess whoever shares this, when we've seen how long it's taken to get to this point, has to look to their own conscience if they were asked to keep it to themselves or not. †None of us seemed to have a moral objection to the Delfan project.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/08/07 at 10:53:02
Big difference hayley. This is an unreleased project under contract to a major label. It's like passing a baby around while it's still in the womb. Not the smartest or most viable of ideas. IMHO, of course...

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by welshgirl on 07/08/07 at 10:56:50
Is it likely that this album is ever going to be available to buy legally?


Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Tintagel on 07/08/07 at 11:09:18
Okay - my ten cents. If you have something early which - when (If - that's for you Caroline) it is available - you are going to buy and so enable money to flow to the pocket of the maker of said music and thus encourage him to make more then I see no harm - as long as you are not posting it on something like Limewire or giving copies to everyone you meet on the street.

that said I want to know where all these copies are??????

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/08/07 at 11:09:57
I think it's due to be released in September on Ryko?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/08/07 at 11:23:28
I can think of 2 people on here who would do it for self promotional purposes. One, selfishly to get laid/prove Glesga clout, the other maybe a little overzealous and just not thinking ahead..

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/08/07 at 11:46:36

Rosemary wrote on 07/08/07 at 10:53:02:
Big difference hayley. This is an unreleased project under contract to a major label. It's like passing a baby around while it's still in the womb. Not the smartest or most viable of ideas. IMHO, of course...


I see the difference Rosie - I just don't think my moral-objection-o-meter would twitch so much for many other artists and that is because we've been sitting having sympathetic morning sickness, varicose veins, weird food cravings, mood swings and now (hopefully) labour pains for such a long, long time.
;)  

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Cristina on 07/08/07 at 13:44:13

Rosemary wrote on 07/08/07 at 11:09:57:
I think it's due to be released in September on Ryko?

So is it finally September instead of October?? And is it also certain that it is no longer called "Rebound"? I loved that name!
I really hope that no one is sharing the songs online somewhere because that would be a complete disaster in terms of future sales, and not to mention the illegallity of it too...
In my opinion, if some of those copies have got to the true fans, they shouldn't just be sharing it with anybody... but I'm also sure that if they are true fans they are the ones who will definetely buy the album whenever it comes out, so we shouldn't have to be too worried... It's been a long way to get here and I'm sure we all will wait patiently as it's almost here!!! Yeah, Hayley, almost as a labour... A long but a happy ending, hopefully!!!

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by ChrissieA on 07/08/07 at 13:51:49
I agree Cristina.

I'm sure (or at least I hope) that none of the true fans would put it on a file share service.  :(

We're definitely the ones who'll rush out and buy it the day it's released, we'll promote it like hell, probably buy extra copies to give to folk and generally support JC as much as we can....

....well, I will anyway!  :)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by welshgirl on 07/08/07 at 15:48:37
I almost feel like sharing it just for the hell of it now....


Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by the last to know on 07/08/07 at 16:59:01
Am agreeing with everyone here.  No problem with some under the table sharing among loyal and responsible folk, but promiscuous or on-line sharing is not on.

As for none of us being bothered by the copying done for the Delfan project, I'd be willing to bet it served the artists in question more than not.  I know I bought music by some of the people I was introduced to on the compilations, and intend on purchasing more.
:)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Tintagel on 07/08/07 at 17:31:17

the last to know wrote on 07/08/07 at 16:59:01:
Am agreeing with everyone here. †No problem with some under the table sharing among loyal and responsible folk, but promiscuous or on-line sharing is not on.

As for none of us being bothered by the copying done for the Delfan project, I'd be willing to bet it served the artists in question more than not. †I know I bought music by some of the people I was introduced to on the compilations, and intend on purchasing more.
:)


I couldn't agree more. I am planning on doing the delfan project next year if it happens just so I can introduce some musicians I like to all of you and maybe get you all interested in their stuff too.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 02:38:03
Lets be honest here, this thread was posted to have a dig at one person on here, itís not about the wrongs and rights of sharing a CD that has not been released, truth is this type of thing happens all the time and even JC acknowledged that if you make a record over 2 years ago its going to get out.

I was given a copy well over a year ago, maybe even longer, I was asked not to hand it out and I kept that promise for well over a year, I was constantly being asked by this one person if I had it and after about the 100th time of saying no I finally submitted and gave this a person a copy as they clearly really wanted it but it was given to them under the instruction not to hand it out, this person decided to ignore that even gave it out to any sod that wanted it.

Now of course I can hardly go mental at this as I effectly did the same thing and the person I did give this to I foolishly trusted and they did enjoy playing the big person in handing it out but what annoys me most is the hidden agenda here just to have a pop at somebody, the poster of this thread does not give to shit about the rights and wrongs of sharing CDís its just a guise to hide behind and cause some sort of shit storm.

And thatís the crappity smacking truth.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/09/07 at 03:00:43
Does it feel better to confess joe? I for one had no hidden agenda with my comments. I just know all too well the dynamics of this board. And I can't think of any more pertinent topic for a band board than to expose someone's underhanded, self-serving misuse of a favor, before they do any more damage.

I can hear the rebuttal from Judas now... ::)

PS Joe, I know what you did was in the true spirit of fandom. You don't have a bad bone in your body. :)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 03:07:25
 
I never saw it as a confession Rosie, the person who 1st gave me it knows what I done and I hope they still trust me to some degree, well as much as anybody can trust me that is...

I just don't like hidden agendas, you have a problem with somebody tell them straight not hide behind post likes this only to be backed up with other people with who also see it as a way of putting the boot in.

I'm not talking about me either thatís being having a go at.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by the last to know on 07/09/07 at 03:10:19

wrote on 07/09/07 at 02:38:03:
but what annoys me most is the hidden agenda here just to have a pop at somebody, the poster of this thread does not give to shit about the rights and wrongs of sharing CDís its just a guise to hide behind and cause some sort of shit storm.


Something you've never done, of course.
;)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/09/07 at 03:13:13
Well, I didn't start this, just guessed immediately what was going on. And it doesn't make a lot of sense to tap a burglar on the shoulder and say "Excuse me, but that's wrong", so I don't know where you're coming from on that. I think this thread was started out of genuine concern for Justin's creative rights. Okay, I've said what I needed to say so will drop out and let others have a go if they wish.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 03:29:31

the last to know wrote on 07/09/07 at 03:10:19:

wrote on 07/09/07 at 02:38:03:
but what annoys me most is the hidden agenda here just to have a pop at somebody, the poster of this thread does not give to shit about the rights and wrongs of sharing CDís its just a guise to hide behind and cause some sort of shit storm.


Something you've never done, of course.
;)


No, when I have insulted somebody or been unkind on here I have done it in a very upfront kind of way not hiding behind some post to have a pop.

And Rose if you think that this post was made out of love to JC you really are crappity smacking miles off on that front.

Quote from Rosemary on Today at 3:13am:
Well, I didn't start this, just guessed immediately what was going on.

Bollocks Rosie, You aint that bright.I know the saddos on here dont have much else to talk about so dont try making out you were not told via pm,email or messenger.

What Iím saying is right. Period (For you Americans)


Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by the last to know on 07/09/07 at 03:41:12
I'm not arguing with what you say is or isn't right, but I do think you've adopted certain stances just to cause a shit storm as well as take shots, whether you really had a problem with your targets or not.
::)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/09/07 at 03:47:20
I guessed it straight up joe, based on what I know about the character and motivations of certain people on this board. I've never been a big participater in the 'hidden board' that goes on here. Ironically, said perpetrator of overzealous dissemination is one of the biggest behind the scenes shit stirrers on here...it's fun to watch the tones of the post on the real board change after the poison seed has been planted...

Okay, now on with my day....I suppose it's up to Justin and co. re: if any of this matters...it's his baby!

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 03:58:45

the last to know wrote on 07/09/07 at 03:41:12:
I'm not arguing with what you say is or isn't right, but I do think you've adopted certain stances just to cause a shit storm as well as take shots, whether you really had a problem with your targets or not.
::)



What the crappity smack are you going on about? This is not about me, Iím just adding my two pennyís worth.

I was honest enough to say I had a copy which I gave to a trusted source, this source let me down badly by trying to show off to there mates, there is no right on this, we both crappity smacked up, In fairness to me I only gave it as I knew how much this person wanted it as I felt the same when I never had it, my reasons to pass it on were at least genuine not to gain some kinda of false praise but what I donít like is the way its being used to cause grief and to have cheap shots at, trust me if you knew who this person was and the history behind these people you would understand where Iím coming from on this.





Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by the last to know on 07/09/07 at 04:08:08
Argh, I'm too tired to spell it out.  Not like it's that important anyway.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 04:12:11
Shut it then.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/09/07 at 04:18:40

wrote on 07/09/07 at 02:38:03:
Lets be honest here, this thread was posted to have a dig at one person on here, itís not about the wrongs and rights of sharing a CD that has not been released...


Not to my knowledge it wasn't - I'm pretty sure the thread was posted as a response to Jules finding that "What is Love for" was available on a file sharing system - a version that is different to the one that is doing the rounds for the most part.

Though I'm sure he'll will correct me if I've got it wrong.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/09/07 at 04:22:34
Sounds like a good plan for all of us. The truth will out. And history has a habit of repeating itself, joe. Character is character. I may be crazy and American but my motivations for being on here are strictly as a fan and I certainly do not wish this person any ill in the grand scheme of things, what they've done they've done to themselves so don't make me the bad guy because I knew who it was based on their equally bad treatment of me in a past situation which revealed their true character to me. End of. (for you Brits)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 05:16:25

hayley wrote on 07/08/07 at 10:07:53:
One person at least has been liberally spreading copies of "Rebound" about recently. †I have the feeling the motivation there is less PR for JC and more self-promotion though.



I'm not just talking abou him and there's a surprise you sticking up for Jules.... ::) Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Also this file sharing thing? Where did he find this and is there a name attached to it?
That is bang out of order.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/09/07 at 05:51:19
I'm not a very nice person remember and that was something related to the topic that I decided to pass an opinion on and was nothing to do with the thread being posted.   :P

You're making quite a habit of jumping to someone's defence too - do you share the cheerleader's outfit these days?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 06:09:58
I donít see how Iím jumping to anybodyís defense, Iíve made it pretty clear that I thought this person was out of order to do what they had done, I just donít like the snaky underhand digs that have followed this thread.

Surely you canít deny this? If you want to say something why not just say it?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by welshgirl on 07/09/07 at 06:13:21
blah de blah de blah

what a load of fuss about nothing

mind you I have no idea what you're all going on about, just the usual ratty bitchy shouting at each other thing I guess. Justin would be proud...

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/09/07 at 06:26:59

wrote on 07/09/07 at 06:09:58:
I donít see how Iím jumping to anybodyís defense, Iíve made it pretty clear that I thought this person was out of order to do what they had done, I just donít like the snaky underhand digs that have followed this thread.

Surely you canít deny this? If you want to say something why not just say it?


Nothing snaky or underhand about the thread that I can see.  It's just a discussion of opinions.

Caroline - you surely don't expect anything else from here after all these years?  If you didn't like it you wouldn't keep coming back - all families have their battles.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by David on 07/09/07 at 07:28:20
Sharing's one thing: like I was given a copy of UDS before its release.  I still bought the godforsaken thing.  I don't agree with illegal downloading - I like owning CDs personally (though I still haven't gotten round to getting Imogen Heap's album, glorious as it is).

If someone's just letting people know it's out, then cool.  But noone should be putting it out on filesharing - that's just rotten.

What Is Love For? is a gash name for an album as well.  Rebound was much better because it was a double dig.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/09/07 at 07:49:50
What is Love For sucks badly as a title - I'd expect it to adorn an offering from Michael Buble or Celine Dion but it's just so very wrong in this case unless they're aiming to push the thing at Simply Red's audience. †Maybe they are.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 07:53:01
Well Caroline, when a bond of trust is broken that might not mean much to you, to others it does. Plus if we all did an impersonation of your type post on here you would read nothing more then this...

:) And "yep" and ďreallyĒ

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by cueball on 07/09/07 at 08:59:08

IMO JC needs all the publicity he can get to make the cd a success. If it isn't a commercial success he won't get another chance.
It's wrong though that someone has made it available online. If JC had been OK with that he would have made the tracks downloadable from myspace.
Sharing the disc among people who will buy it anyway is OK.

Maybe someone should ask him his opinion.


Is it September now?
Quote:
deadlines can become understandably fluid.
usually means longer rather than shorter.


Title: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Jules on 07/09/07 at 09:54:58
The reason for my post/poll was that I've found the album available on a file sharing service. It's listed as 'What is love for 2007' and has 12 tracks. One is Gold Dust (which I hadn't heard before) and the 12th is a haunting short (1'30'') unnamed track with JC playing keyboard which I'll call 'In the Rain'. I don't want to spoil it, but one of the 'Rebound' tracks has a new ending. †:-X

I wasn't assuming that anyone here had shared these files, and if they had then they'd have to be very close to the source (which as much as you would like to think you are Joe, you're not) - I would have expected the news of where to get hold of it would have been shared amongst the faithful by now, even by the most self-centred of you.

I thought it a valid reason for posting - now I have to consider the moral question of sharing the location of the files with you all.......... †:P

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Cristina on 07/09/07 at 10:47:24
Hey Jules,
that's crappity smacking serious!!! Can you forward the information to Alison so she can pass it on to Justin? He should be warned about it in case it can be stopped before it's too late!


Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by welshgirl on 07/09/07 at 10:55:49
I wasn't complaining, I was just observing. And yes Hayley you're right, I particularly like it when Joe gets on his high horse and everyone else gets nasty and starts throwing insults around. Its great  :)

(that smiley was for Joe  :-* )


Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Jules on 07/09/07 at 11:00:31
Nice idea in principal Cristina, but shutting a site down won't stop the spread of the material. I've seen at least 6 people with the album listed in their shared files.


wrote on 07/09/07 at 05:16:25:
Also this file sharing thing? Where did he find this and is there a name attached to it?


Actually, the listed member's name was Joe.........no bullshit †:-?


wrote on 07/09/07 at 05:16:25:
That is bang out of order.


Yes, it is.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/09/07 at 11:36:04

Jules wrote on 07/09/07 at 09:54:58:
had shared these files, and if they had then they'd have to be very close to the source (which as much as you would like to think you are Joe, you're not)


What are you on about here, that went right over my head?Are you trying to make out that I think i'm in with him or something? I get the very rare email which he resonds to and that its,forgive me for being thick but I dont have a clue what you are on about here...

As for the implication that its me who is doing the sharing you really are talking out of your crack now,I dont even know how to put songs on to my bloody ipod not alone hosting and sharing files and lets be honest here,we both know why you started this thread.




Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by welshgirl on 07/09/07 at 11:39:03
Joe's copy is the old one anyway, not the 2007 version....










..I'm guessing

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Hilary on 07/09/07 at 11:42:05
In principle sharing music on file sharing sites is wrong*, especially when the material is not yet officially released.

However, who really is going to be bothered enough to download this CD?  Answer - us lot, most of whom seem already to have one version of it (I don't) and most of whom will be buying the legit reason on the day of realease.

For that reason I really can't get worked up enough about it...  Still, it's mildly amusing watching Joe shit stir again.

H

* except in those grey areas where I've bought a CD and found I can't rip the tracks to my pc because it's protected, so I've had to download tracks to be able to listen on my ipod.   :o

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Cristina on 07/09/07 at 11:48:10
I think that whoever who has put the album on that hosting has to be really near JC as it seems that the changes on the album are recent, after the record deal was done, etc... so on the last steps of the process I guess. And I think he really should now about it as the leak source is near him...
What a bad luck, really!!!
And Joe, take it easy, as we all understood that Jules was joking... None of us fans here are that close to JC!

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by welshgirl on 07/09/07 at 11:52:52
speak for yourself  ;)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Jules on 07/09/07 at 12:03:03

wrote on 07/09/07 at 11:36:04:
forgive me for being thick but I dont have a clue what you are on about here...

As for the implication that its me who is doing the sharing you really are talking out of your crack now,I dont even know how to put songs on to my bloody ipod not alone hosting and sharing files and lets be honest here,we both know why you started this thread.


I'm sure that most people have read the thread and understood my point Joe - It's a shame that you can only see it as an attack on someone. I didn't imply that it was you - you asked if there was a name attached to the file share and I supplied it to you. I even have a screenshot, as I expected that some people might not believe me.

I didn't like seeing the album out there, but can't say that I'm feeling bad about downloading it - I'll be out getting my copy (or 2) on the day it's released just like the rest of you (or might be asking someone very nicely to pick up a copy for me, since it's not likely to be released on the Continent for some time) †;)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Cristina on 07/09/07 at 12:09:23

Jules wrote on 07/09/07 at 12:03:03:
since it's not likely to be released on the Continent for some time) †;)


Agghhh, please, don't say that if you're not a 100% sure!!! Will I have to travel to the UK to get the bloody CD (sure not) or get it from a shop online (most likely, I guess)? I want it on my local record store!!!!  ;)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Jules on 07/09/07 at 12:11:21
It's one of the down-sides to not living in the UK Cristina.....there are some more, I'm sure †;)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Cristina on 07/09/07 at 12:24:54
Uhmm... Lovely weather, maybe?  ;D

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by David on 07/09/07 at 15:51:34
While I don't morally agree with file-sharing, there's crappity smack all that can be done about stopping it.

How many people are going to actively search for JC's solo debut on an off-chance.  Snow Patrol, yes, but not Justin.

The majority of people at his gig at the ABC were old Dels fans, not JC fans.  The response to the new material was generally muted (perhaps because it's so maudlin).

If someone wants to make themselves feel special by giving out copies of an unreleased album, they must have pretty shallow lives, but all power to them.

People have sent me stuff and I wouldn't dream of passing it on - not for Ryan fans, Bruce fans, Elvis Costello fans or JC fans.  That's just because it's not fair on the person that sent me it in the first place, especially if they used a personal contact with the artist.

And, yeh, putting it on a filesharing network's crap, but Justin is hardly a priority act to bring lawsuits into force.  if he does so, like Metallica found out, all you're doing is suing potential fans or existing fans.

If you release an album, it will sadly become public domain within minutes because people do not respect the rights of the record companies to protect their profits, or that of the artist to control their own music.

It's crap, but a fact of life.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/09/07 at 17:21:05
Yes, it's a fact of life that somewhere in the last generation that people have lost their music sharing etiquette/morality/whatever you want to call it. The fact that some people even on here don't get it just blows my mind. :( It's Justin's record company's call though-it's not even down to him at this point. And I'm boring myself at this point, so good night all! :) I wonder if the sudden onslaught of goofysexspam has anything to do with our erstwhile fiend?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/10/07 at 01:33:01
Truth is JC is so far off the commercial scale I donít think that to many people will try to search for his new album anyway, from what I heard there seems to be a few people out there who have a problem with Justin for whatever reason so that is where this is coming from I think.

Of course its wrong and it does effect the artist but lets not forget that record companies have been ripping us the punter off for years, I donít feel to guilty if I can get the odd track without paying for it.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by king Arthur on 07/11/07 at 08:56:18
I quite like waiting til its released - somehting to look forward to!

(If it doesnt get released though, I will gladly have a bootleg)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by David on 07/12/07 at 02:54:17
Maybe we should sell the bootlegs for £8 each and send the money to Justin?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/12/07 at 03:18:51
He might make more $ that way

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/12/07 at 03:33:47
Heres a question for you all...

Will JC new album sell more then Can You Do Me Good?

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Rosemary on 07/12/07 at 03:48:18
Depends on how it's promoted...will it be picked up by a TV show, movie, satellite radio or *shock* commercial radio buzz cut status, etc. etc. People aren't going to find it on their own.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/12/07 at 04:18:09
True, I would guess that any old del would buy it but there can't be to many of those really..

So on tha basis it will defo sell at least 10 copys :o

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by David on 07/12/07 at 04:48:30
He missed a trick really.  How many friends does he have on MySpace?  Say 3000 - if he'd sold his album for £10 each, he's have made £30,000 - and his recording costs were probably about £10,000 (I'm guessing - I don't know how long he was in the studio and how much the musicians cost him) - that's more than it would make on a record deal for the same sales under the royalties/recoup arrangement.

I can't imagine Ryko are offering him a king's ransom for the rights, so I wonder what the deal is.

I guess they've paid him a small amount with a guarantee of higher royalties and bigger marketing.  he'd paid for the album already, so it wasn't a big stretch for Ryko, I expect.

there will have been some condition on remixes and retracking, along with iTunes related publicity.  he really needs to get Out Of My Control onto Radio2.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by hayley on 07/12/07 at 05:08:00
... and if it all goes horribly wrong there's still time for Get to Me to be Robbie's comeback single.  ::)

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by David on 07/12/07 at 06:59:09
I had a look on ebay last night and didn't see it, but if someone did that, then that's shocking and I certainly have no excuse for that.

Sharing's a bit iffy, but saved by it's benevolence that someone, somewhere probably bought it.  But making a profit off it when you claim to be a fan of someone is just not on.

That's a rotten thing to do and they should have their earlobes cut off.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Backwoodsman66 on 07/12/07 at 07:14:58
I feel I need to clear this up.

I "advertised" it on Ebay a few months back - long before I even had a copy of it. Joe and I were bored and thought we'd test the market, so to speak. Thee was no intent - or ability obviously - to profit from it. Cost me a fiver in fact.

It's a great album. Walking Through You could be a minor hit but Ryko don't do singles. It will sell in the low thousands and will not chart. Ryko simply don't have the mechanics to secure chart entries. They're a sort of local authority rest home for the once-slightly-famous. I agree with David that he probably got a miserly retroactive advance to cover the recording costs.

The activities of a couple of dozen obsessives (including me) during the interregnum between recording and release will make no difference whatsoever to the fate of Rebound/WILF - it will sell to maybe 50-60% of the population that bought the last Dels album and virtually no-one else. Sad but true because, like I say, it's a truly great album.

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by David on 07/12/07 at 07:21:14
Fair enough.  If I'd known it was you Rory, I wouldn't even have questioned the motivations.  i don't think you're in a position where you need to profit from JC's career.

i agree with you about its prospects.  

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by Only My Looks Remain on 07/12/07 at 07:28:37
Why drag me into this when you know I had nothing to do with it? I don't get that? To me that is way over the top in my book and could of jeopardized JC signing a record deal.

Bad form on this one mate, really bad form...

Title: Re: Should anyone be sharing JC's album?
Post by horsesmcfaddon on 07/12/07 at 14:59:56
Ha ha!  This is hilarious!

regards

h.mcfaddon

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